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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 21, 2007 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

OK, G-Pig, I give.

I have admitted in my own Top 10 list that I am woefully ignorant of the catalogue of pre-1970 Dead. It just hasn't been my cup of tea. yeah, i'll pull out Live/Dead every now and then to get a little Tom Constanten fix--kind of like watching "On her Majesty's Secret Service" for the novelty of seeing a guy named George Lazenby play 007 for the only time in the film's franchise history (it's actually one of the best Bond films, as it turns out), but usually I just wave at that 60's stuff and go DL another show from '77.

Now i'm taking a chance at changing my ways.

I've looked at your list and have decided ONE show to access and I hope i'm making the right pick. It got all 5 star reviews here on the LMA so it seems like the one to go with, unless you've got a better suggestion. It's 2-14-68.

I'm prepared to be wowed, and hope i'm not confirming my worst suspicions instead that this stuff is just hopelessly dated a la "Listen to what the flower people say" from "Spinal Tap."

I'll get back to you, and thanks for the list.

GC

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 21, 2007 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

Cliff suggests william tells favorite '68 show, 10/12/68...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 21, 2007 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

Good call CLIFF; yes, 10-12-68 has long been a fav, but now, 12-29-68 is currently my top 68 listening time wise, for what that means...

I would pick my current 'top' 68s as:

1-20/22-68
6-14-68
8-23-68
10-12-68
12-29-68

I know that leaves some stellar shows out in the cold, rain and snow, but that is a nice list nonetheless to occupy the player for the month...

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Feb 21, 2007 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

Another great one, worthy of a DP. The early copies were missing the end of the show (it was thought that they were turned off). Now it is complete. Listen to it with 10-13.

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Poster: deadn73 Date: Feb 21, 2007 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

good choice that show is a high octane powerhouse, though not for the faint of heart, miles away from the peaceful easy breeze of 77

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 21, 2007 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

yeah, I figured as much....but before we pigeonhole '77 as some kind of FM-Lite year, I urge any and all to listen to such high-powered octane as the Half Step from 11-6-77, the SugarMags from 10-29-77, the Dew from 5-8-77, or virtually any "Other One" from that year.

Yes, you had gorgeousness and tranquillity in much of the '77 catalogue, like the Love Each Other from 5-25-77 and the Jack a Roe from 5-17-77, but there was a lot of ass-kicking rock and roll thrown in there too (jack straw and Might as well from 10-29-77...oh, hell, don't get me started ;-)!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Feb 21, 2007 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

No slam on 1977. Dead lite to me is not an insult. Just a much mellower sound than 1969. I do think the revamped St. Stephen sucks, but many of the songs are stronger and better.

You don't have to jam at 180 m.p.h to make great music.

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Poster: deadn73 Date: Feb 21, 2007 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

well said me loves 77 too, especially the 1/2 steps

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Feb 21, 2007 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

Turn that muthuh up LOAD. Especially the Alligator sequence! That is the show where Jerry allegedly shoved Phil down the stairs to get his ass in gear. When they came out for the Alligator--Caution it was. I dare say that you will never find a Phil jam stronger or more manic as this. Yep, there are some other great ones--but here, Phil pushes Jerry like a bulldozer pushes a mound of sand.

Can't miss.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 21, 2007 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

Wow. Just powered through 2-14-68 in an attempt to broaden my pre-70's Dead horizons.

Where to begin? Well, it's not that I don't still prefer the 1977 stuff, but my eyes and ears have been opened.

I still don't like what I call the "dungeons and dragons" feel to songs like Cryptical...it just seems dated to me when they sing that kind of stuff...(guess why I preferred the later years when they dropped the front and back end of that Anthem material and just played TOO, but I digress)...

when they jam in shows like this (2-14-68) it IS INCREDIBLE. Just the raw energy in jerry's gritty guitar...the hard edge to the playing...and really, the whole band, when in the throes of that Alligator>Caution Jam are just BLAZING...it really is as hardcore as a punk band performance, and that makes sense given the time period, and the fact that these guys WERE the punks of their day--forging a psychedelic/hard rock/blues/garage band/jam-based marathon that was the new sound of its day.

I also love just how YOUNG Jerry sounds--he's full of the energy of the time and his own youthful power...and it really comes across when he lets his fingers fly. I can see how that time period is unrivaled in terms of that sheer youthful gusto--and given how hard they partied the burn-out that took Pig's life also took a toll as early as 1972...you do hear them start to mellow a bit then, even though that process began w/some of the country flavored songs of American beauty...but right up til Pig left their shows were marked by that uncanny power sound--ugly at times, raw always, but when ON, as itense as you can get.

So thanks for the suggestion--i'll be checking out some other pre-1970 stuff, and while I still think in the late 70's they werre a far more mature band, writing better songs and performing to a higher standard, there is no longer any doubt in my mind that some of the late 60's material, ESPECIALLY the "shut up and jam" sections, are a gold mine of amazing energy and mind blowing musical Dead.

4 stars for the show, a STRONG 4 stars, w/points off only b/c I still think the singing is VERY warbly in parts, and I just find some of the lyrics and certain musical sections dated . (Criticsms that can certainly be applied to some later Dead years as well).

Thanks again, G-Pig.

GC

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 21, 2007 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

That IS the draw..."young Jerry." I couldn't agree more.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 21, 2007 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

Excellent.

Looking forward to it!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 21, 2007 10:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

That is great, GC; just as I followed Dire and Arbuthnot to check out 77, 78 and 87, it is always a good feeling to find someone going the other direction.

The forum available shows I listed above are all great for this year--ie, 1-20/22-68, 8-23-68, 10-12-68 and 12-29-68.

Have fun.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Feb 21, 2007 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Proof: the great ones, 1968--1971

Odd story about Anthem. I was playing the record for a friend in 1970--a dead naysayer. He picked up another friend's bass. Mind you, he had never played before. Within a minute or so, he was playing as well as Phil. Never understood that. Last I heard, he was playing with a guy that sounded like Jorma.

Very strange to hear two basses on that jam.